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Keep Your Feet on the Ground: Physics Denial Woo

Posted by mattusmaximus on March 29, 2009

Awhile back I made a post called “Gravity: Only A Theory” – it was about a spoof which used fake criticism of the physics of gravity to make fun of creationists and their pseudoscientific arguments. Believe it or not, there actually are some people who attempt to apply the same nonsensical thinking to the laws of physics (like gravity). A perfect example of such folk are those who cater to Transcendental Meditation (TM) – a New-Age cult which, among other things, teaches its followers that if one meditates hard enough you can actually fly in defiance of gravity!

yogic flying

To give you an idea of just how silly this “yogic flying” (as the TMers call it) really is, take a look at this video footage…

One of these physics/gravity deniers, a Mr. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi, contacted me through the comments section of my earlier blog entry. Though I don’t have direct evidence of it, from his methods of argumentation and his claims, I think he might be a dedicated practitioner of TM. What ensued was his attempt to convince me that Einstein’s theory of relativity, including the mass-energy equivalence relationship E=mc^2, was completely wrong and that he had a “theory of everything” to replace it. His “theory” was supposed to be based upon meditation (sound familiar?) and is also completely impervious to testing – wow.

I wanted to share with you all the back-and-forth he and I had on the comments, because it is very instructive to see that most pseudoscientists use the same flawed arguments & logical fallacies to justify their nonsense. Here you go…

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 13, 2009 at 9:38 am e

kindly let me know that in E=mc2 (famous eqs given by Einstein) whether c2 (c square) stands only for denoting some numerical value in the equation or there is some evidence of a speed equal to the square of speed of light?

mattusmaximus said
March 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm e

This link to Wikipedia should help you out on this…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%3D_mc2#Background

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 14, 2009 at 6:45 am e

Thank you very much Mattusmaximus for your kind response. It means c2 is a conversion factor only. It has no other function. How this conversion factor has been derived? How does c2 differ from v2 of ½mv2 ?

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 15, 2009 at 5:50 am e

I have written following two papers which may lead to the realization for a higher theory of everything:

(i) Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator,
(1st Int. Conf. on Revival of Traditional Yoga, Lonavla Yoga Institute, Lonavla, January, 2006)
(ii) In Scientific Terminology, Source of Gravitational Wave is God
(2nd World Congress on Vedic Science, BHU, Varanasi, Feb 2007)
I have presented these two papers at the two different International Conferences. I am now submitting some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory

From Scriptures: (Prem Patra by His Holiness Huzur Maharaj)
The Current which manifested in the beginning of the creation is the Current of Sabda (Sound) and of Chaitanya (Consciousness). From whom that Current issued forth is known as Soami (Supreme Being). This Current, by turning back can merge again in the Holy Feet of Supreme Being. The entire creation manifested from this current and is sustained with its energy and when the Current of the Holy Feet is withdrawn, the creation ceases to exist.This Current of the Holy Feet is the Reservoir of all energy, tastes and pleasures, knowledge, skill, shapes, forces and light etc. etc. and of the entire creation, is also the Creator of all of them.

From Science:
Gravitation Force is the cause of manifestation of the creation (birth of planets, stars), its sustenance and when it is withdrawn towards centre or source the entire creation ceases to exist. Photons have originated from gravitons. In black holes photons merge into gravitons. In Black Holes, Gravitational Force is so high that it does not allow even light to escape. What does it mean then? It simply means that the gravitational force at black-holes attracts light towards it with much greater velocity than the speed of light. In fact, all forces including electromagnetic force, material force (strong and weak nuclear force) all merge into gravitational force in black-holes and becomes one force there and when the creational process starts again from a Black-Hole all the forces appear (manifest) again and descends downwards to create billions of stars, planets, satellite, asteroids and various life forms.

Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation.

All cosmological researches should be conducted keeping in view of the following philosophical facts:
It has been stated in Bible (John I-1) “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,”
Mohammedans hold that God uttered ‘Kun’ (i.e. ‘Came into being’) and the creation came into being (Holy Quran, Sur. Bakr (II.117).
In Chhandogya Upanishad it is written “Tadaikshat bahu syam prajayeyeti” (VI-2-iii) i.e. “It thought (desired) Would that I were many! Let me procreate myself!” The Aitareya Upanishad says,”Sa ikshat ‘lokannusrija’ iti (I-1-i) i.e. “He bethought himself (desired) – ‘Let me create worlds’, etc. etc.
It is written in Chapter VII of Srimad Bhagavadgita : Sri Bhagwan said, “Arjun, now listen how with the mind attached to Me and practicing Yoga with absolute dependence on Me, you will know Me in entirety and without any shadow of doubt” (1). I shall unfold to you in its entirety this wisdom alongwith the Knowledge of the qualified aspect of God, having known which nothing else remains yet to be known in this world (2). Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, reason and also ego; these constitute My nature eightfold divided. This indeed is My lower (material) nature : the other than this, by which the whole universe is sustained, know it to be My higher nature in the form of Jiva, O Arjuna. (4-5). Arjuna, know that all beings have evolved from this twofold Prakriti, and that I am the source of the entire creation, and into Me again it disappears.(6)
The Radhasoami Religion also tells that, the ‘Word’ mentioned above is in fact Current of Sound or Current of Consciousness or Prime Current of Spirituality which was issued forth from its Source, or Creator or God. This Current has later on produced light and other forces. The scientists are discussing these days about dark energy which constitute about 96% of the entire universe which is not known to us. Only 4% part of the universe is known to us by all scientific means. In fact this 96% invisible portion of the universe is the vast expanse of spirituality which can be designated as field of gravitational waves in scientific terms. Visible portion of the universe (4%) consists of consciousness (gravitational force), mental force (electromagnetic waves) and material force (strong and weak nuclear force).
Body = Nuclear Force (weak as well as strong)
Mind = Electromagnetic Force.
Consciousness = Gravitation Force.
According to Radhasoami Religion the whole Universe can be sub-divided into three grand divisions viz.
1. Region of Pure Spirituality
2. Region of Subtle Maya
3. Region of Gross Maya
Nuclear forces dominate Region of Gross Maya (Gross Material Region), Electro-magnetic forces dominate Region of Subtle Maya (Subtle Material Region) and Gravitational Force dominates Pure Spiritual Region.
This is the only Truth which can be verified scientifically and can be termed as ‘higher theory for everything’. This also supports the statement of Sir Sahabji Maharaj that ‘the goal of science – Truth; the goal of philosophy – Ultimate Reality; and the goal of religion – God’ are the three names of same supreme essence.
Many things are common between Current of Consciousness and Gravitational Wave.
1. Current of consciousness can not be seen by any means and gravitational wave can also not be seen.
2. Current of consciousness is the weakest force on earth. Its strength goes on increasing on higher regions. Gravitational force is also very weak on earth and strong on Sun and even more stronger on black holes.
3 Tendency of both current of consciousness and gravitational waves are towards their source or centre.
4. Current of consciousness and gravitational force are both regarded as the creater of all the celestial and terrestrial bodies of the whole universe. They are also sustainer of these and when they turn back towards their source or centre the whole universe will collapse.
Hence it can be assumed that the source of current of consciousness and gravitational wave is the same i.e. God or ultimate creator.
This theory is based on scientific deduction. In scientific terms it can be said that the ‘gravitons’ are the elementaryparticle which was issued forth in the beginning of the creation accompanying with sound ‘Radha’.

mattusmaximus said
March 21, 2009 at 8:21 pm e

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

I have written following two papers which may lead to the realization for a higher theory of everything:

Mr. Satsangi, if you really believe that your “theory” has any kind of merit, then by all means submit it to a qualified, peer-reviewed physics journal for possible publication. That is how modern science is done, not by posting walls of text to blogs on the Internet.

By the way, one question for you – how does one go about testing your “theory”?

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 24, 2009 at 9:23 am e

Dear Mattusmaximus

Thanks for your response. As I have mentioned above that the above two papers I had already presented at two different International Conferences where thousands of academicians participated. I have also received very encouraging remarks to these papers from eminent Professors of Physics.

How E=mc^2 can be tested ? There is lot of confusion.

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm e

Dear Mattusmaximus

Refer to your question- how does one go about testing your “theory”?

Certainly it needs power of intuition developed by practice of meditation to test my “theory”. Kindly refer to Blog site “Fighting of the cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology” by Rohedi Laboratory,The Best Science on the World. Rohedi observed to my comments : “Congratulations you have develop the hihger theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Hopefully your some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory are recognized by International Science Community”

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 24, 2009 at 2:04 pm e

Certainly it needs the power of intuition developed by the practice of meditation to test my theory. Rohedi has appreciated my views on theory of everything stating that it is more wonderful than the theory of Stephen Hawking. Kindly refer to his Blog site “Fighting of the cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology”

mattusmaximus said
March 25, 2009 at 3:12 pm e

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

Certainly it needs the power of intuition developed by the practice of meditation to test my theory. Rohedi has appreciated my views on theory of everything stating that it is more wonderful than the theory of Stephen Hawking. Kindly refer to his Blog site “Fighting of the cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology”

Making statements such as “Rohedi has appreciated my views on theory of everything” is not an outline for an experimental protocol – it is nothing more than a psuedoscientific argument from authority.

You mentioned meditation as a “test” for your “theory” – please outline exactly how your “theory” can be experimentally falsified. That is, what measurement(s) would show that you are wrong?

mattusmaximus said
March 25, 2009 at 6:54 pm e

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

How E=mc^2 can be tested ? There is lot of confusion.

E=mc^2 is tested all the time in particle accelerators, such as at FermiLab which is just down the road from me. Also, you might want to read about this recent, high-profile experiment at MIT which tested out E=mc^2 and found it to be accurate.

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 26, 2009 at 9:54 am e

excuse me, mattusmaximus, neither my arguement is psuedoscientific nor I have any intention of arguing with any authority. If you are authority in some field I also do enjoy authority in my field of work. Some of my questions are still un-answered. When speed has no role in E=mc^2, how this conversion factor (c^2) had been arrived at in the formula by Einstein. Had this formula (E=mc^2) was tested and verified experimentally during the life time of Einstein. If not, whether it was termed as psuedoscientific?

mattusmaximus said
March 26, 2009 at 4:31 pm e

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

excuse me, mattusmaximus, neither my arguement is psuedoscientific nor I have any intention of arguing with any authority. If you are authority in some field I also do enjoy authority in my field of work. Some of my questions are still un-answered. When speed has no role in E=mc^2, how this conversion factor (c^2) had been arrived at in the formula by Einstein. Had this formula (E=mc^2) was tested and verified experimentally during the life time of Einstein. If not, whether it was termed as psuedoscientific?

I have provided you with information on how E=mc^2 was derived – here it is again…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%3D_mc2

Now whether or not you choose to do some basic homework and read the info I provide is up to you. If you want to be lazy and not do the research, fine by me – but don’t sit there and keep implying that E=mc^2 hasn’t been tested experimentally when it very clearly has been tested. This line of argumentation is the same as employed by creationists all the time: they ask for evidence of evolution, it is provided to them, and then they ask “Why isn’t anyone able to show evidence for evolution?” It is disingenuous and dishonest.

And whether or not E=mc^2 was immediately tested right after Einstein proposed it is beside the point, because in the intervening time mass-energy equivalence has been tested and found to be valid in a huge number of experiments.

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 27, 2009 at 2:11 pm e

mattusmaximus said quoting: ‘E=mc^2 passes tough MIT test by Elizabeth A. Thomson New Office, Dec.21, 2005.

1. “The team found that the formula predicting that energy and mass are equivalent is correct to an incredible accuracy of better than one part in a million. That’s 55 times more precise than the best previous test”.

2. Despite the results of the current test of E=mc^ Pritchard said:”This doesn’t mean it has been proven to be completely correct”.

3. “It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing – a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind”.

All the above statements indicate that E=mc^2 was not tested and verified experimentally during the life time of Einstein and even perhaps today it is in the process of experimentation. Till such time we reach at one hundred percent precise accuracy we should term Theory of Relativity as Pseudoscientific.

And Dear mattusmaximus, kindly let me know what is this ’same thing’ from where both mass and energy maninfested? I am quite sure you will find the reply for this question of mine in my comments which you have termed as ‘pseudoscientific’. Thank you

mattusmaximus said
March 27, 2009 at 3:36 pm e

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

1. “The team found that the formula predicting that energy and mass are equivalent is correct to an incredible accuracy of better than one part in a million. That’s 55 times more precise than the best previous test”.

Yes, this shows that E=mc^2 has not only been tested, but as it is tested out more and more it is found to be even more accurate! How is this any kind of argument in your favor?

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

2. Despite the results of the current test of E=mc^ Pritchard said:”This doesn’t mean it has been proven to be completely correct”.

Nice quote mine – another dishonest tactic often used by pseudoscientists, btw. The full quote is: “This doesn’t mean it has been proven to be completely correct. Future physicists will undoubtedly subject it to even more precise tests because more accurate checks imply that our theory of the world is in fact more and more complete.”

So what Pritchard is actually saying is that because he expects more and more accurate tests in the future, if E=mc^2 stands up to that experimental scrutiny, as it has so far, then our confidence in this theory will be even greater. By quote mining in this manner, you are disingenuously attempting to give the opposite impression of what he’s actually saying.

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

3. “It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing – a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind”.

Yes, many aspects of modern physics are counter-intuitive and difficult for people to understand. So what?

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

All the above statements indicate that E=mc^2 was not tested and verified experimentally during the life time of Einstein and even perhaps today it is in the process of experimentation. Till such time we reach at one hundred percent precise accuracy we should term Theory of Relativity as Pseudoscientific.

Now you’re just moving the goalposts, another dishonest pseudoscientific tactic and logical fallacy. Before you claimed E=mc^2 wasn’t tested, and I proved you wrong. Then you claim that it wasn’t tested in Einstein’s day, which though it might be correct is irrelevant because it has (and continues to be) tested to higher and higher precision and found to be accurate as time goes on. So now you move the goalposts again and say that unless we have 100% precision & accuracy – which is impossible in any kind of experimental science – then you’ll just call E=mc^2 pseudoscience.

And you then imply that because E=mc^2 hasn’t met your impossible criteria that then your ideas must be correct. This is yet another pseudoscientific tactic and logical fallacy called a false dichotomy. Even if E=mc^2 was shown to be wrong, which it hasn’t yet, then that would do nothing to support your ideas. You must provide positive evidence of your ideas, rather than tearing down accepted science.

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

And Dear mattusmaximus, kindly let me know what is this ’same thing’ from where both mass and energy maninfested? I am quite sure you will find the reply for this question of mine in my comments which you have termed as ‘pseudoscientific’. Thank you

I’m not exactly sure what the “same thing” really is, but I will venture to say that it is all energy – it’s just that mass is a specific manifestation of energy. A “solidified” form of energy, so to speak.

Now you answer my previous question & challenge:
You mentioned meditation as a “test” for your “theory” – please outline exactly how your “theory” can be experimentally falsified. That is, what measurement(s) would show that you are wrong?

Answer my question, or the next time I will block your posts.

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said
March 28, 2009 at 9:35 am e

I am working to establish my theory as a perfect blend of science and philosophy (religion). It is ridiculous to ask such question “how your theory can be experimentally falsified”. Please try to defend “theory” of Einstein which is facing the greatest challenge .

mattusmaximus said
March 29, 2009 at 5:01 am e

Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said:

It is ridiculous to ask such question “how your theory can be experimentally falsified”.

So you admit there is no way to test your ideas? Can’t say I’m surprised – this is par for the course when it comes to pseudoscience, it is ultimately unfalsifiable and therefore completely non-scientific. The fact that you don’t see this as a problem just goes to show how you really have no clue how modern science works. If you wish to call your ideas philosophy, knock yourself out. But don’t call them scientific because you aren’t interested in meeting the criteria of science – you just want to leap past all the work and get the credit of science. Sorry, that’s just not good enough.

In accordance with my earlier ultimatum, I will be blocking your further comments to this blog. However, I would like to thank you for providing me with an excellent example of how pseudoscientists attempt to push their bogus claims. Our running conversation should make good fodder for a future blog post.

12 Responses to “Keep Your Feet on the Ground: Physics Denial Woo”

  1. Mike Troutman said

    Wow Matt. The next time I have an argument with my wife, will you intervene? Or my Dad for that matter. But only if I know I am right. I don’t want you proving me wrong.

  2. mmfiore said

    We are a group that is challenging the current paradigm in physics which is Quantum Mechanics and String Theory. There is a new Theory of Everything Breakthrough. It exposes the flaws in both Quantum Theory and String Theory. Please Help us set the physics community back on the right course and prove that Einstein was right! Visit our site The Theory of Super Relativity: Super Relativity

    • mattusmaximus said

      mmfiore, it seems that this post of yours is simply a spam message which seems to pop up on a number of science-related blogs. Case in point, I notice exactly the same comment made on the following blog:

      http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/03/mcleroy_shows_his_ignorance_of.php

      In response to your rather dubious claim, I would repeat the same question posed by someone else on that same blog post:

      Just answer one question. Does the theory of superrelativity allow computation of the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron to agree with the observed value to 10 significant digits? Quantum Electrodynamics does!

      You failed to answer that question – care to take a try now?

      In addition, here are a couple of revealing criticisms of your website – Super Relativity – which you plugged above. I notice that you also failed to respond to these criticisms…

      From the Super Relativity site:

      Since I have assumed that the theories and mathematics that describe any existing ether are correct . . .

      That’s as far as I read. Seems they found a problem with the Michelson Morley experiment.

      At a glance only it seems that the tone is sufficiently studious, the jargon just familiar enough that someone without a more than basic knowledge of physics could be easily convinced of an impending revolution (that is probably being resisted by the league of anti-social scientists, though I didn’t actually see anything saying so is just those words).

      And here’s another criticism for you…

      I checked out the Super Relativity site.

      Oh, sweet tittyf**k.

      Their explanation of the origin of Gravity starts off with a claim that the Michelson-Morley experiment only failed to detect the ether because it was using particles travelling at the highest possible velocity. This is pretty funny, since the very existence of a “highest possible velocity” is a prediction of Special Relativity which only works if there exists no privileged inertial frame of reference. It amounts to saying that The MM experiment doesn’t prove Special Relativity is true because Special Relativity is true.

      Even better is when they present their computer “simulations”. The “simulation” steps several variables through a range of values in order to find a “solution node” where the curves intersect. In other words, it demonstrates only one thing: that the authors lack the mathematical savvy to solve systems of simultaneous equations. Even if numerical methods are called for, the program doesn’t make use of even the most basic root-finding algorithms like Bisection or Newton-Raphson. It just steps from a lower limit towards an upper limit.

      I couldn’t read any more after that.

      It’ll be interesting to see if you respond to any of this, as opposed to simply stepping in and spamming blog posts. The latter is a method often employed by pseudoscientists, as they do all they can to attempt to avoid any criticism or challenge by scientists.

      • mmfiore said

        Hello mattusmaximus,

        I would like to reply to some of your comments. The Michelson-Morley experiment failed to detect the ether by simply proving that Special Relativity was correct so Special Relativity is the solution and the explanation for the null result. What went wrong is that the results of the experiment were misinterpreted. This is a mistake that happens frequently in science. I suggest a way to perform an experiment that could prove SR Theory correct or incorrect. It could be done in a few days I would imagine. If you have access to a accelerator perhaps you can try it. See the web site for the details.

        Yuo said:
        As for this question:
        Just answer one question. Does the theory of superrelativity allow computation of the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron to agree with the observed value to 10 significant digits? Quantum Electrodynamics does!

        I do not attempt to answer all questions in all related and unrelated fields and research. No one knows it all. I am prepared to answer questions about the topics on my website and that is it. I freely admit to not knowing every detail of all sciences chemistry or bio-physics or plate techtonics. I am simply trying to get people thinking that perhaps the path we are on is incorrect.

        I think that people especially scientists (physicists) should try and be more open minded. There is no forum for people like myself to participate and share our ideas. If you know of such a place I would very much appreciate information about it.

        Thanks…

  3. wheatdogg said

    You have a lot more patience than I do. Mr Satsangi is not going to let go of his beliefs and pet theories no matter now much you try to reason with him. I am still working on convincing someone at my site that the existing theories or gravitation do not violate the law of conservation of energy.

    Sigh.

    If someone mixes his scientific arguments with appeals to religious scripture, then leave it be. His “science” is based on faith and belief, not empirical evidence. After all, “facts only confuse the truth,” to paraphrase Cervantes.

  4. Ender said

    What unbelievable silliness. Unfortunately you cannot communicate with him because not only does he not understand the philosophy of science, he believes that he does understand the philosophy of science. He believes that instead of ‘an approximation of the physical realities of the world around us based on the best possible experimental and experimentally not-disproven theory’ that science is in fact ‘a truthful description of the world that can be confirmed by the beauty and congruence of the way the ideas unite and describe the world’, his reference to 100% was a rejection of his perception of your modality, which he believes is self refuting (it is, that’s why science doesn’t demand 100%), he then expects you to fill the gap he believes he has created by disproving your modality with his woo-ful nice sounding modality.

    It’s sad.

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  6. John B. Westbrook said

    Hi Folks!

    All of you (perhaps especially mattusmaximus) may wish to look at the following web page. Mr. Satsangi has moved from dangling science at arms length to suggesting the value of its tools. Thought you might enjoy it.

    http://ultimatelifestyleproject.com/spiritual-quotient/

    Anirudh Kumar Satsangi says:
    April 29, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Spiritual quotient (S.Q.) can be expressed mathematically as the ratio of parasympathetic dominance (PSD) to sympathetic dominance (SD).

  7. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said

    I am working all aspects concerning spirituality.

    The Universe includes everything that exists. In the Universe there are billions and billions of stars. These stars are distributed in the space in huge clusters. They are held together by gravitation and are known as galaxies. Sun is also a star. Various members of the solar system are bound to it by gravitation force. Gravitation force is the ultimate cause of birth and death of galaxy, star and planets etc. Gravitation can be considered as the cause of various forms of animate and inanimate existence. Human form is superior to all other forms. Withdrawal of gravitational wave from some plane of action is called the death of that form. It can be assumed that gravitation force is ultimate creator. Source of it is ‘God’. Gravitational Field is the supreme soul (consciousness) and its innumerable points of action may be called as individual soul (consciousness). It acts through body and mind. Body is physical entity. Mind can be defined as the function of autonomic nervous system. Electromagnetic waves are its agents through which it works. This can be realized through the practice of meditation and yoga under qualified meditation instruction. This can remove misunderstanding between science and religion and amongst various religions. This is the gist of all religious teachings – past, present and future.

  8. Anirudh Kumar Satsangi said

    Modus Operandi of Radhasoami Faith View of Creation – Part II
    Here the true Jaman (coagulant) was given. The spirituality coagulated as it were, and Surats (spirit entities), among themselves, brought the creation into being. Thereafter, another Jaman (coagulant) was given. Regions from Agam Lok (Inaccessible Region) to Sat Lok (True Region) were created during the first creational process. That creation is true. That region is eternal. There is no trace of evil and suffering. This was the creation for many Yugas and ages. Then there appeared a dark coloured current
    That current appeared like a dark coloured stone set in a white one and was absorbed in the Darshan of True Being. Then there appeared two Kalas i.e. currents (viz. Niranjan and Jyoti) and they together evolved the creation of five Tattwas (elements) four Khans (species, categories of life) and three Gunas (qualities). The three Gunas (qualities) brought about the expansion and proliferation . They created Rishis and Munis (sages and holy men), gods and godly human beings and demons. Egotism then increased much. Niranjan separated himself from the rest, putting the burden of looking after the creation on them. Nobody could know of Niranjan. Even the Vedas referred to Him as Neti Neti (Not this, Not this). They did not get Darshan (Vision) of Niranjan. They made conjectures. Then how can anybody have knowledge of Sat Purush (True Being), Source of Niranjan and all that exists. (Source: Sar Bachan Poetry)

    Scientifically here Jyoti represent three Fundamental Forces of Quantum Mechanics i.e. electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force. NIRANJAN is the fourth Fundamental Force i.e. Gravitation Force.

  9. estetik said

    You have a lot more patience than I do. Mr Satsangi is not going to let go of his beliefs and pet theories no matter now much you try to reason with him. I am still working on convincing someone at my site that the existing theories or gravitation do not violate the law of conservation of energy.🙂

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